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Acupuncture (12 posts)

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admin said 42 years, 5 months ago ago:

Welcome to the Acupuncture Forum

Andy said 10 months ago ago:

I am an acupuncturist and have had a lot of success with migraine treatment for both acute as well as chronic sufferers. Just this morning my new patient from last week with severe unrelenting migraine returned for the second visit. He said his migraine of the prior ten days went away with the acupuncture and has not returned. This is not atypical.

Ellen said 10 months ago ago:

Andy, We cannot allow anyone to advertise their services etc, but I’m wondering – can you talk to us a little about acupuncture so those who aren’t familiar with it might see if they want to consider it as an option for their attacks? Thank you :)

Andy said 8 months ago ago:

I would love to share what I know from experience regarding migraine. Choosing an acupuncturist is easy. Most acupuncturists in the USA are Board Certified and have licensing or registration by the state. If there are several acupuncturists close to you that is your good luck. But any acupuncturist can make the actions that have an effect on the most common energetic pre-disposition to have migraine–Cold Feet.

All the pertinent information about migraine was written down more than two thousand years ago in the Ling Shu. It was re-discovered by Drs. Tran and Van Nghi, surgeons in France.

I have tried to make their information available on facebook. But I don’t want to post the Name of the account until we decide that it would not consitute advertising.

Ellen said 8 months ago ago:

Andy, thanks for the follow-up. I hope you will consider posting more information here.

I had extensive acupuncture years ago to treat my autoimmune related Raynaud’s. As you know, this causes the blood vessels of the extremities to constrict. While this is a separate comorbid condition, the symptoms are very similar. The result are cold, strangely colored hands and feet (and sometimes nose, lips, etc), numbness, pain, and in severe circumstances, tissue destruction and even amputation.

I was not someone who “believed” in acupuncture, but the doctor was a close friend and I trusted and believed in him, and he wanted to see if he could help. It took many treatments, but my Raynaud’s improved enormously which was an equally enormous surprise to me.

I’m sad to say that my Migraine attacks did not change – we never had much luck with that.

In seeing multiple acupuncturists over time, I do notice that each seems to have a different pattern they prefer to use. Research seems to tell us that it is not the pattern that is important, but the needles. What are your thoughts on this??

Andy said 8 months ago ago:

Two thousand plus years ago the Emperor of China recorded his conversation with the physician who would be comparable to our presidents surgeon general. Huang Di begins the treatis by saying his people are sick and failing to pay their taxes. He states that acupuncture is effective and intends to write down everything that can be useful so future generations will never have to face this problem again–paying taxes, being sick one or both.

Raynaud’s syndrome is a very annoying manifestation of depletion of Yang or warm energy. In the Ling Shu, Drs. Van Nghi and Tran encountered a description of a manifestation of Yang depletion that included cold and discolored fingers. The solution is the piqure of the Fire points on the Arm Yang Pathways. I recently shared a description of the treatment of this with local acupuncturists and will post it here.

Notably, M.C physical therapy assistant in the PT dept at Saint Croix Regional Medical Center who perpetually walked around with her hands tucked in her arm pits. One day I asked, “Cold hands?” to which she replied, “how did you know.” I said, “got twenty minutes, I can fix that” to which she replied, “my next patient is at ten, sure.” So right there in the practitioner room in front of all the staff including the head of the department, Frank I put in the needles. A week later when I returned to my clinic time I asked how she was, she said better. Repeated once and she was good. A year later the topic came up and Frank laughed and said, “You should have seen her that afternoon, her hands were hot, hahaha.”

I have done this for dozens of patients and they all respond quickly. One or two treatments to make the hands normal.

Migraine responds similarly. My last morning patient came in with a one sided severe headache, she rated it at 9/10. She had light sensitivity, so quickly I looked at her tongue and turned out all but the dim floor lamp in the corner. Her pain was mainly above and behind the eye and I described two points that would be good to use, above the knee and on the neck. But first I used the points shown to me by Dr. Tran that are described in the Ling Shu as Window of Heaven points. I help up my fist and counted as I raised my fingers and at 5 I asked her if her pain had changed. She said, “it is gone.”

Not being satisfied with that I put in the knee point and again asked if the eye had changed. She again said, “better.”

In my clinic this happens over and over. Of the forty to sixty patients I see in a week maybe four or five have headache. They almost all get rapid relief. Patients normally only drive 30 to 40 miles to see me, so even if I were to name my clinic it would have no impact on the course of the countries maigraineurs. To impact that, I want to give away the information that will allow them to find relief.

Ellen said 8 months ago ago:

Andy, what about Migraine prevention? This is really what we were targeting in my own acupuncture therapy.

Kelly, FlyWithHope said 7 months, 4 weeks ago ago:

I initially started trigger-point acupuncture for a horrid fibromyalgia flare in June and was shocked when the acupuncture worked where the Norco had not!

So, I started it for my Chronic Migraine and Chronic Daily Headache in July. I have to say that as a complementary therapy, it has been helpful enough to make the effort to go in every week. There was one time where I went into the office Migraine-free and came out of the office with a Migraine and I fully believe the acupuncture was the culprit.

Since I’ve stopped a recent preventative, I’ve noticed the acupuncture not as helpful, so I’m thinking that in my case it has only been helpful as a complementary therapy when preventative medication therapy is helping at least a little.

I’m going to keep trying until I feel it is absolutely of no use.

Ellen said 7 months, 3 weeks ago ago:

Kelly, that is so interesting! So maybe together the acupuncture and the preventive were working synergystically for a better outcome than either alone could provide? At the time of my Acupuncture, I don’t think I was taking any preventives – not either time I tried it.

Very interesting…

Andy said 7 months, 3 weeks ago ago:

Acupuncture is a young science in the US. The richness of two thousand years of evolution since the writing of the Ling Shu have been made to fit a university style teaching and in doing so have been limited to the basics.

Advanced and ancient concepts about the etiology of the disease and its appropriate treatment are only now beginning to enter clinical practice. It is this teaching, this approach that has effective and repeatable outcomes of relief for the acute sufferer and decrease or elimination of the symptom.

My objective in participating in these discussions is to spread the understanding of the origin of the headache and to make available to patients and acupuncturists the actions necessary to reverse the disease process.

Andy said 7 months, 3 weeks ago ago:

Kelly, I am pleased to hear of your success with fibromyalgia. Typically that is a disease of exhaustion of energy creation and circulation. It is important that you treat more than trigger points.

It is possible to increase local circulation and provoke a headache. With experience your acupuncturist will learn what points to avoid.

Two thousand years ago in the Ling Shu it says if you have cold feet then that is the foundation of the headaches. This ancient text describes a protocol to warm cold feet that is easy and fast, often succeeding in one treatment and preventing or lowering the incidence of migraine. The global deficit of Yang energy is more enduring and will take a team effort by you, your doctor and your licensed acupuncturist to overcome.

Teri Robert said 7 months, 3 weeks ago ago:

Andy,

First, Migraines aren’t headaches. Migraine is a genetic neurological disease, marked by episodes typically called Migraine attacks. When there is a headache, it’s a symptom, and some people have Migraine attacks with NO headache. Second, the “foundation” of Migraines is genetics and overactive neurons in the brain. Third, there is no way to reverse the disease process. Acupuncture may be helpful to some people, but the basic science is what it is, not what you said.

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